tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3 2007-11-29T02:19:01Z Random news from the Big Heavy World Record Label, Vermont Music Library & Shop, WOMM-LP 105.9FM The Radiator, and TUNK Magazine Movable Type 3.34 tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.107 2007-11-29T02:17:05Z 2007-11-29T02:19:01Z

Big Heavy World's 'Rocket Shop' Local Music Radio Hour playlist for Wednesday, November 28, 2007: Jesus Nut, "Cock Rock" Starline Rhythm Boys, "That's Where I Went Wrong" Stupid Club, "Candy Music" Rocketsled, "Main Man" Trey Anastasio, "Let Me Lie" James...

Big Heavy Jim Big Heavy World's 'Rocket Shop' Local Music Radio Hour playlist for Wednesday, November 28, 2007: Jesus Nut, "Cock Rock" Starline Rhythm Boys, "That's Where I Went Wrong" Stupid Club, "Candy Music" Rocketsled, "Main Man" Trey Anastasio, "Let Me Lie" James Kochalka Superstar, "Sleigh Ride to Heck" Drowningman, "Rock And Roll Killing Machine" Chin Ho!, "When Everything Explodes" James O'Halloran, "Travel On" The Faithfull, "Attitude" Rick & The Ramblers, "I Heard the Highway" The Cush, "Heart Shaped Melody" Unrestrained, "Appleseeds" Hosted by Jim Lockridge with Sean Larock in the studio. tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.104 2007-09-25T16:56:33Z 2007-09-25T17:00:18Z

Big Heavy World has partnered with RETN (Regional Educational  Technology Network) and is about to launch an after school program for Burlington area high school students. The program will teach students how to record, produce, and eventually broadcast their original music-based segments on...

Maryse Smith Big Heavy World has partnered with RETN (Regional Educational  Technology Network) and is about to launch an after school program for Burlington area high school students. The program will teach students how to record, produce, and eventually broadcast their original music-based segments on television. The program will give students a fluent working knowledge of videography that they can carry to a professional setting. RETN is a Vermont nonprofit dedicated to providing educational media resources to the community. RETN will train the Big Heavy World crew and run workshops for the students involved; eventually programs that the students produce will be cablecast on RETN (Comcast Channel 16 from Essex to Vergennes and Burlington Telecom Channel 16). The video editing equipment is also available to Big Heavy World’s volunteer staff, which works to archive and promote Vermont-made music. The program begins in October. For more information or to get involved, contact Ryan Krushenick at ryan@bigheavyworld.net . tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.103 2007-09-24T00:42:33Z 2007-09-24T00:49:39Z

Big Heavy World's IndieCon, a 3-day conference of music industry panels, documentary films, and live music showcases will be taking place from Thursday 11/8 until the 10th. The event is free, all ages, and open to the public and...

Maryse Smith Big Heavy World's IndieCon, a 3-day conference of music industry panels, documentary films, and live music showcases will be taking place from Thursday 11/8 until the 10th. The event is free, all ages, and open to the public and will be held at a bunch of downtown venues. The schedule is still being finalized: for a peek, see http://bigheavyworld.com/indiecon/. The photo above is from the documentary 'Towncraft' about the Little Rock, Arkansas scene, showing at Indiecon with an introduction by filmmaker Richard Matson.]]> tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.112 2007-08-28T23:11:25Z 2007-11-29T15:49:55Z

By Tonya West It was Summer in South Burlington, when the band Maui in Ithaca took to the stage and performed for a gathering of teens and families at the National Night Out event in early August. For the past...

Big Heavy Jim By Tonya West It was Summer in South Burlington, when the band Maui in Ithaca took to the stage and performed for a gathering of teens and families at the National Night Out event in early August. For the past 24 years, the first Tuesday of August is officially National Night Out, a 38 million strong event that drew upwards of 5,000 people locally to increase crime and drug prevention awareness and strengthen police-community partnerships. For this event, Big Heavy World collaborated with another organization, Partnership for Youth and Community Empowerment, to support positive youth involvement in the community through music. “I heard great reviews of the band.” commented Catherine Welch, primary coordinator of the event. "I really hope we can continue this collaboration in the future.” “I think the band idea was great for this year,” said volunteer Jasmine Parsia, who helped her mother (Diane Parsia, president of the PYCE board) with the event. “I will definitely go and help out again next year." “National Night Out is a very critical event, particularly in the South Burlington area,” continued Jasmine, whose been attending since childhood. “Not to say that it shouldn't be done in neighboring towns or attended by people within those towns. It's clear that the families in the area are aware of what's going on in the community and want to be involved in fixing anything that may come up. I think National Night Out is great about informing people about resources, while still keeping it fun.” A volunteer with Big Heavy since the age of 17, Joseph Beaulieu - now 26 - helped coordinate the music for National Night Out. “I got into underground music through 242 Main (Burlington’s teen center). A lot of Burlington bands in the area are steadfast behind 242 and the kids who go to these events have taken a vow (of abstinence from all narcotics) called the ‘straight edge movement.’ I see that having a lot of draw (for National Night Out) down the road.” “The whole idea of the National Night Out is great, supporting healthy life styles, drug free, alcohol free and so on” said Christopher Cormier, of Maui in Ithaca, who also performed a solo acoustic set called “A History of Magic.” “Although WE as a band would never push a life style upon someone or, push our life choices onto people, we think that educating people in such areas is vital. Getting information to teens about things they are going to have to deal with is always a good thing.” Since 1998, PYCE has served the South Burlington community through its mentor program, Reach for the Stars, and Project YES, a weekly team that meets to discuss local, national and international issues. In 2001, PYCE introduced Family Day on the third Monday of September to promote the importance of sharing family meals. tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.111 2007-08-15T01:31:07Z 2007-11-29T15:48:20Z

Vermont’s Big Heavy World relies on – and empowers – student volunteers Big Heavy World, a Burlington-based non-profit that preserves and promotes local music, relies upon high-school and college-aged volunteers from the surrounding community. Through their love of music, volunteers...

Big Heavy Jim Vounteer Profile: Nina Van Zandt By Jamie Holloway Being involved with people who have the same interests can make them feel more like your family, said Nina Van Zandt, a University of Vermont student. Nina also learned that volunteering can help her feel connected to her community. The magic of her story lays in how she got connected: for the past two years, she has been a volunteer with Big Heavy World (BHW) working with their record label and interacting with artists. “There’s so much stuff to do, anyone could find something they like,” said Nina. Although working with the record label and communicating with artists was Nina’s favorite project, she worked on many others that guided and shaped her interests. She started doing band photography and working concert doors, and she ended by emceeing concerts and teaching seminars on the local music industry at Norwich University. Many volunteers find BHW’s low key and laid back environment appealing. At the same time, volunteers play a key role in strengthening the music scene and keeping Burlington band-friendly. BHW has become a role model for how to empower young adults and show them they can make real contributions to their community. BHW has created direction and meaning, as well as saved many from the dangerous realities that face today’s youth. Nina found that BHW helped her grow-up. “Big Heavy gave me something to do with my time when I didn’t really know what I could do with it,” said Nina. Nina is just one example of the many young adults BHW has empowered. A role model for other youth and an active participant in the Burlington community, she is an outstanding example of how volunteering with a local music organization can help youth redirect their interests to promote healthy communities. Volunteer Profile: Anaii Lee-Ender By Jill Escott Equipped with a scarf and gloves, Anaii Lee-Ender (a.k.a. Ninja) begins her walk down Church Street in Burlington, Vermont: a brick road in the heart of the city that is blocked off from cars. Throughout her stroll, she hears traces of live music radiating from the restaurants, clubs, and shops lining the street. An elderly man with a wrinkled face sits on a bench strumming his guitar while singing Eric Clapton tunes. Continuing on, Ninja passes a poster advertising the event she is headed towards: a free rock concert in City Hall. Just by walking down Church Street, you realize how much music influences Burlington’s culture. This is, in part, due to the dedication and passion stemming from Big Heavy World, a non-profit foundation based out of Burlington. What makes this organization unique, in addition to its constant efforts to promote and preserve local music, is that it is run mostly by student volunteers. Ninja, a volunteer from Burlington High School, talks about how Big Heavy World has affected her. Big Heavy has had a bigger impact on my life than anything I can think of, Ninja explains. “I have found something that I love to do.” With Big Heavy’s laid-back attitude, accompanied by an expectation of professionalism, students feel comfortable taking on big responsibilities with proper guidance, of course. There are countless projects to be tackled for the foundation: Big Heavy puts out compilation CDs, manages an online music library, hosts musical events, runs its own radio station, and archives music (just to name a few). At only 16 years of age, Ninja is already planning shows and organizing interns. I’ve learned to do things like grant-writing, organizing and managing concerts, and writing letters asking for donations from other businesses, she says. Ninja spoke of her first experience planning a show and how it changed her life. “The guy who set up and was supposed to be managing the concert got really sick,” she said. “I was a teeny little freshman, and volunteered to do it. Six hours straight on my feet that night, and I realized that this was what I wanted to do for the rest of my life.” Big Heavy World encourages teens to break free of the limitations often put on youth. With this sense of freedom, students are empowered to make a difference in their community. As Ninja approaches City Hall, watching people streaming into the concert that was advertised on the poster, she feels a sense of accomplishment. She put this show together; she made a difference and people notice. Letting the sounds surround her steps as she walks towards the stage, she realizes that she’s ready to take on this big, heavy world. Volunteer Profile: Pat Floyd By Jacqueline Leveroni I take a seat at the empty table outside UVM's WRUV radio station in the basement of the Billings Student Center. There is a speaker mounted above their sticker-covered door, playing the live broadcast going on inside the studio. I listen and I wait. The studio door then opens and out walks Pat. I watch him as he reaches up and turns the speaker off and starts to walk towards me. He is dressed like the typical college student: plaid, flannel shirt, jeans, and a pair of sneakers. He is wearing glasses and has a great haircut – one that reminds me of something one of the early Beatles would have donned. He takes a seat, we exchange greetings, I turn my tape recorder on, and the interview begins. Pat starts by telling me about his band, Oh So Insidious, and how he first got involved with Big Heavy World. “I was maybe a sophomore in high school (South Burlington) and I needed to find something to do for my extra-curricular requirements in order to graduate,” said Pat. He was always into music and enjoyed being in his high school’s radio club, which would air music over the intercom before homeroom. It was Pat’s guidance counselor who pointed him in the direction of BHW. He was told it was mostly all high school and college age kids who volunteer there, helping with concert promotions, photography, and compilation CDs. Pat also knew about BHW through shows that they had put on in the past, like their New Year’s Eve show at Memorial Auditorium. “When you are a freshman in high school,” said Pat, “this is probably one of the few cooler things you can do on the weekends. He later tells me that the majority of events that Big Heavy World orchestrates are targeted at being friendly to all ages. Today, Pat still keeps in close contact with the gang at Big Heavy. “I still talk to Jim Lockridge, the main guy who runs it and I stop by once in awhile to say hello. They have been putting on concerts inside the BHW office lately. They opened up more of the rooms, painted them all nice. Once a month or so they put on a show in one of them which is pretty cool because it’s a tiny room with loud music and a ton of kids packed in.” Pat has been able to experience Big Heavy from both sides of the spectrum: by giving his time and by receiving their help. BHW celebrated its 10th birthday last October with an event called IndieCon. By performing at the event with his band, Oh So Insidious, Pat learned more about the music industry, things like: how bands can book shows for themselves at places like Nectar’s and Club Metronome or through agents like 802 booking, advice on how to go about providing contact information and press kits to venues. BHW’s Vermont Band Guide has also been helpful to his band. It’s a bulletin board open to the entire Burlington music scene. “This is the best way to promote an upcoming show,” said Pat, about BHW’s Vermont Band Guide. “Lots of turn-out just from the message board. This has really helped my band out. They also let us play at their shows, which is very nice as well.” During his time at BHW, Pat mainly did grassroots-oriented things such as going to local businesses to get sponsors, putting up posters for shows, and retrieving submissions from bands. Pat says Jim was by his side the entire time, helping him connect with people in the community. “You learn a lot about whatever field you’re interested in,” said Pat. “It’s nice because there really isn’t much busy work; they need you and there are plenty of important things for you to do there. Also, you meet a lot of people who are in the industry.” Pat’s transition from Big Heavy to his current employer, WRUV, has been smooth thanks in large part to BHW. It taught him how to act in a corporate manner, which is a useful skill to have in the music business. “I didn’t really know what I wanted to do before my experience with them, but now when I think back, I realize that they set a nice little path for me.” On that note, Pat informs me that he has to get back to work. He gets up from the table, goes back over to the speaker on the wall, reaches up, and turns it on. He steps past the sticker-covered door into his studio and gets back on the air of WRUV.]]> tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.100 2007-08-09T02:27:17Z 2007-11-29T02:19:32Z

Maui In Ithaca played in Dorset Park last night as part of National Night Out - Big Heavy World's first year of working with the event. We had a parking lot and stage of our own; the music was great...

Big Heavy Jim Maui In Ithaca played in Dorset Park last night as part of National Night Out - Big Heavy World's first year of working with the event. We had a parking lot and stage of our own; the music was great and the NNO personnel were especially good to us. Thanks to Joe Beaulieu and the 802 Booking Collective for putting and keeping things together, and to Diane and Jasmine Parsia for everything. We know we're all going to heck for stomping the Irish Cloggers with the volume (sorry!) but it was nice to take Sean Larock's new P.A. for a ride. Thanks to his technical genius and the generosity of Recycle North we've got the hardware to do more shows in more places now. ]]> tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.95 2007-07-25T20:28:50Z 2007-08-01T20:33:39Z

The Big Heavy World / Vermont Music Library office was visited this week by a delegation of Pakistani Fulbright Scholars participating in the University of Vermont's International Student Institute (ISI). Eight guests got the tour from Ryan, hearing about the...

Big Heavy Jim The Big Heavy World / Vermont Music Library office was visited this week by a delegation of Pakistani Fulbright Scholars participating in the University of Vermont's International Student Institute (ISI). Eight guests got the tour from Ryan, hearing about the projects we do as part of the ISI curriculum of discovering what's unique about America's - and Vermont's - politics, economy, society and culture. The work at Big Heavy World and our Vermont Music Library is accomplished by volunteers and at the same time gives younger adults the chance to pick up professional music industry and media skills. It was nice to share our kind of civic engagement with new friends from so far away. Special thanks to the Center for Communities and Neighborhoods for doing so much of the work of organizing the visit! tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.110 2007-07-13T16:40:53Z 2007-11-29T15:46:41Z

By Tonya West Amidst the Monday night chatter before an open mic at Radio Bean, 28-year old Vermont native andre.W discussed creating the independent label candyhammer lo-fi.: the “not so hi that you can’t do-it-yourself, not so lo that...

Big Heavy Jim By Tonya West Amidst the Monday night chatter before an open mic at Radio Bean, 28-year old Vermont native andre.W discussed creating the independent label candyhammer lo-fi.: the “not so hi that you can’t do-it-yourself, not so lo that quality is compromised” record label. Three of its eight projects – Mac Dates and The Moderates, andre.W and Pink Crucifix – will be released July 21 at The Monkey House in Winooski. I had come to this interview prepared with a riot of questions. A week prior andre.W had turned over the eight discs all within their own Nexpak case – the paperback-sized packaging that TV shows on DVD come in. Opening each was like the unexpected present of discovering that it’s really $11 you just found in an old pair of jeans and not $2. The covers, inside and out, are self-designed, some with chapbook-style lyrics, others with vinyl stickers, each with a presence of its own. Inspired by Trent Reznor, the motor behind the machine of Nine Inch Nails, andre.W explained what fascinated him about starting a label. “Trent is an icon of a whole genre. He made his first album at a studio that he was the janitor at. He started his own label, gave his artists their own control. Seeing that led to my urge to do something like that.” Well, that and the mere fact he so aptly put, “I wanted my own backlog of albums to have somewhere to go, rather than sit around, go nowhere, and rot.” andre.W has literally carted around a shoebox of recordings for over a decade from the most recent material previously mentioned and four other bands he was involved with – Yellow Squares, Nathanial Superfly, Transformers for Girls, and Cartoon Radio. ]]> candyhammer.com myspace.com/candyhammerlofi]]> tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.92 2007-06-09T00:26:46Z 2007-06-09T01:19:10Z

The Big Heavy World Record Label is working with Maine filmmaker Nikolai Fox to produce the soundtrack to 'Music for the Sky' a documentary video featuring six Vermont fiddlers carrying-forward old time fiddle traditions. A special preview of the...

Big Heavy Jim The Big Heavy World Record Label is working with Maine filmmaker Nikolai Fox to produce the soundtrack to 'Music for the Sky' a documentary video featuring six Vermont fiddlers carrying-forward old time fiddle traditions. A special preview of the film will be shown continuously at the Vermont Music Library & Shop booth in the Vermont History Expo Museum Tent, June 23 & 24, 10am-5pm. The Vermont History Expo brings together 150 local historical societies, museums and heritage organizations from across the state to gather at the historic Tunbridge Worlds' Fairgrounds. The exhibits, music, food, presentations, performances, and family activities at the Expo are a stellar experience; enthusiasm for Vermont's deep, quirky, and treasured cultural heritage runs high and the annual Expo is always memorable. The Vermont Music Library & Shop will also be displaying information about our work to preserve Vermont-made music and the 1907 L. S. Gordon general store building we are working to restore to become our archive. T-shirts and copies of the new 'In Silver Light' Vermont artists compilation CD will be available. Come meet Ryan, Jim, and Tonya from the crew! Directons, admission, and information can be found at the Vermont History Expo web site. Photo: Michael Donahue, featured in 'Music for the Sky,' photographed by Amanda Kowalski. ]]> tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.91 2007-06-08T23:41:54Z 2007-06-09T01:29:54Z

Big Heavy World has been preserving and promoting the music of Vermont since 1996. Working with a crew of mostly high school and college-aged volunteers, we've archived thousands of recordings by Vermont's musical artists at our Vermont Music Library &...

Big Heavy Jim Vermont Music Library & Shop and exposed hundreds of Vermont's musicians to new audiences. A lot of this work has been accomplished - and our web sites hosted - on equipment that Small Dog Electronics gave us or helped us acquire. We've recently been given a century-old general store building in Addison County that is undergoing restoration to become a climate controlled archive for the VMLS recording collection. While raising capital for that effort, we're also fundraising to purchase equipment that will allow us to digitize the collection, aiming to meet the highest standards of digital cultural preservation. Small Dog is helping us with this goal by providing a donations page that accepts contributions to a VMLS-dedicated hardware account at Small Dog. Your contribution, via a purchase from this page of a donation in any increment of $25, will help us acquire the hardware needed to preserve this unique cultural legacy. Your donation will be added to that of others with a similar interest in this preservation effort, and cumulatively enough funding will be raised to purchase the Apple equipment we need. Thank you for contributing!]]> tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.90 2007-06-08T23:30:24Z 2007-06-08T23:38:37Z

Hey philatelists: Big Heavy World and the U.S. Post Office put together a pictorial postmark commemorating May 25 - a special day for us as we released the 'In Silver Light' compilation CD project at the FlynnSpace that night. We...

Big Heavy Jim Vermont Stamp for helping us figure this one out. ]]> tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.89 2007-06-08T23:02:04Z 2007-06-09T01:25:26Z

Thank you to everyone who came out May 25th to celebrate the release of the ‘In Silver Light’ CD. Over a dozen singer-songwriters shared the intimate setting of the FlynnSpace stage and performed for a full, appreciative house. Made...

Big Heavy Jim Thank you to everyone who came out May 25th to celebrate the release of the ‘In Silver Light’ CD. Over a dozen singer-songwriters shared the intimate setting of the FlynnSpace stage and performed for a full, appreciative house. Made possible by the Flynn Center for the Performing Arts, proceeds from the evening and sales of the compilation CD – a ‘breathtaking sampler of Vermont’s singer-songwriting and instrumental music’ – will benefit the Vermont Music Library and Shop. From the Native Daughters (Michele Choiniere and Deb Flanders), a duo who combines traditional French Canadian songs with Vermont’s folk roots, to The Cush, an eclectic band fronted by Gabrielle and Burette Douglas, whose influences are old tape delays, wind and constellations, and analog equipment, the night unfolded with the eerie sounds of “The Last Whale,” by Ken Mahren and the joie de vivre of Aaron Flinn who hit us right in the heart and kept on strumming. The sound filtered across the stage seamlessly and the diversity was captivating. As host, Spencer Lewis shared his genuine appreciation of each piece about to be performed and capped the evening on violin and acoustic guitar. Our deepest thanks are extended to the artists who performed to celebrate the CD and support our work, and also to Harry Chalkin, Sound Engineer; Sean Larock, Engineering Assistant; Brian Johnson, FlynnSpace Manager; and Arnie Malina, Flynn Center Artistic Director; to the family farmers of Cabot Creamery and Jeb Norris, Mike Luoma, and the on-air staff of 104.7FM ‘The Point.’ And again, if you were able to attend, thank you for your support and for sharing this magical night with us! You can sample and order the ‘In Silver Light’ CD here. Photo: Ken Mahren performing ' The Last Whale.']]> tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.59 2007-05-01T21:56:16Z 2007-05-03T01:04:42Z

Ryan this morning at a press conference for Green Up Day Burlington. Join in on Saturday, May 5th, 2007 from 9:30 am - 1:30 pm. Info and meet-up locations at http://www.cedoburlington.org/what'snew.htm...

Big Heavy Jim Ryan this morning at a press conference for Green Up Day Burlington. Join in on Saturday, May 5th, 2007 from 9:30 am - 1:30 pm. Info and meet-up locations at http://www.cedoburlington.org/what'snew.htm ]]> tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.56 2007-04-24T23:35:38Z 2007-05-07T17:30:18Z

Live at the FlynnSpace, Friday May 25 7pm, $17.00, Student/Senior $14 'In Silver Light' is a breathtaking sampler of Vermont's singer-songwriting and instrumental music. Join the artists for a panoramic performance celebrating the release of this critically acclaimed CD...

Big Heavy Jim Live at the FlynnSpace, Friday May 25 7pm, $17.00, Student/Senior $14 'In Silver Light' is a breathtaking sampler of Vermont's singer-songwriting and instrumental music. Join the artists for a panoramic performance celebrating the release of this critically acclaimed CD and the Vermont Music Library's work to preserve the state's contemporary musical heritage. Performing: Spencer Lewis, Native Daughters (Deb Flanders & Michele Choiniere), Paul Webb, Aaron Flinn's Salad Days, The Cush, Karen McFeeters, Social Band, Lar Duggan, Kris Gruen, James O'Halloran, Ken Mahren (and more!). Made possible by the Flynn Center for the Performing Arts. Sample the music and learn more about the project here!. Proceeds from this event benefit the Vermont Music Library, vmls.org. Purchase your ticket at: FlinnTix or at the door. Photos: Above, Aaron Flinn's Salad Days; below, Kris Gruen. Photo: Below, Karen McFeeters. Photo: Below, Native Daughters (Deb Flanders & Michele Choiniere). Photo: Below, Social Band. Photo: Below, Ken Mahren. Photo: Below, Paul Webb. ]]> tag:www.bigheavyworld.com,2007:/news//3.57 2007-04-23T23:44:33Z 2007-04-24T00:14:50Z

Crew from Big Heavy volunteered at the big computer drop-off event at Small Dog in South Burlington Saturday April 21 - people brought every kind of electronics for recycling, courtesy Small Dog and done by Good Point Recycling in...

Big Heavy Jim Crew from Big Heavy volunteered at the big computer drop-off event at Small Dog in South Burlington Saturday April 21 - people brought every kind of electronics for recycling, courtesy Small Dog and done by Good Point Recycling in Middlebury. The stuff would either get sent out to be repurposed (monitors go to China and get turned into TV's) or disassembled to re-use the metals inside. Spent the day helping people unload their cars, then putting everything into the trucks. We loaded five trucks, two of them tractor-trailors starting at 8:30am, and got done around 1am the next morning.]]> Above: Nick Chason & Micah Harford. Above: Anais Roy. Above: Matt Kiedaisch (Small Dog), Geoff Leyden, and Small Dog crew. Above: The beautiful mess we loaded and recycled with Small Dog, Good Point, and CSWD. ]]>